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Edwin Chen, founder and CEO of Surge AI, discusses moving beyond basic labeling toward reinforcement-learning environments, post-training evaluation, and developing what he calls model "taste." He frames common benchmarking practices as misleading—saying optimization for popular leaderboards can produce clickbait-style results—and describes a case where a frontier lab’s models regressed for months without detection.
The conversation covers where human evaluation fits into measurement, why industry-wide evaluation approaches are broken, and why there won’t be a single solution for assessing models. Chen and the hosts also compare divergent training paradigms among frontier labs, discuss hiring and research culture, and explain how scale and data quality affect model development.
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